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Should I run the losers half of the draw? |
yes, more tournament games are good |
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No, losers half games are meaningless |
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Whatever, I'll play if the games are there to be played but dont care either way |
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Kanga
Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 1503
Location: Moe, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: 2 player Tournament 4 draw |
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Each match consists of 3 games on the same map - a no variant, a variant 1, and a variant 2 game.
Password for all games: tournament
Players have been seeded based on their previous tournament performances.
Everyone will get to keep playing in the tournament until they have lost twice. When you lose the first time you move into the second part of the draw.
Maps are all new to the 2 player tournaments, please let me know what you think of them:
Round 1: 331
Round 2: 325
Round 3: 291
Round 4: 365
Final: 117
The second part of the draw will need at least one extra map, the next on my list is map 65.
1 Kanga 2 player T3 G1
2 Hooks
3 tammykins 2 player T3 G2
4 lindalait
5 LuvHighTide 2 player T3 G3
6 nita20698
7 danbar1963 2 player T3 G4
8 ahauwi1
9 IBX 2 player T3 G5
10 Wolfpack
11 kxw 2 player T3 G6
12 tlc
13 tphon 2 player T3 G7
14 Dobinator
15 magnus 2 player T3 G8
16 almondralf
17 koinski 2 player T3 G9
18 skk7878
19 shampoon 2 player T3 G10
20 Early_10
21 hermes88 2 player T3 G11
22 Payton3434
23 nmichalek 2 player T3 G12
24 cpsof95
25 t_o_m9 2 player T3 G13
26 wildscrpio
27 praisechick 2 player T3 G14
28 marcx
29 UsanaChris 2 player T3 G15
30 kekeweb
31 toutoune 2 player T3 G16
32 Rebelslayer
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Kanga
Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 1503
Location: Moe, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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The winners side of the tournament is a knockout draw. So the winner of game 1 will play the winner of game 2, and so on. So you can work out in advance who you might play in the next round. |
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Dobinator
Joined: 18 Jul 07 Posts: 383
Location: North Carolina, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Much as I enjoy Doug's maps, I don't know how well suited map 231 is to variant 1 play - unless people leave each other alone and are fortunate with animal and land draws, it might be hard to raise much cash.
But I'm happy to give it a try, should I somehow manage to survive the tournament that long.
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t_o_m9

Joined: 14 Apr 06 Posts: 318
Location: Lakeville, MN
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I'm confused, this is the tournament 4 draw but all the tournie names are T3?  |
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LuvHightide
Joined: 15 Aug 06 Posts: 46
Location: New Hampshire, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Could this be why I can't create the game name.... With every game I try to create for this--it comes up that the name has already been used..????  |
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IBX
Joined: 22 Jun 07 Posts: 214
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Dobinator wrote: | Much as I enjoy Doug's maps, I don't know how well suited map 231 is to variant 1 play - unless people leave each other alone and are fortunate with animal and land draws, it might be hard to raise much cash.
But I'm happy to give it a try, should I somehow manage to survive the tournament that long.
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If you happen to get past your round one and two matches, you'll play me in round 3...so not to worry, you won't be in round 4
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t_o_m9

Joined: 14 Apr 06 Posts: 318
Location: Lakeville, MN
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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LuvHightide wrote: | Could this be why I can't create the game name.... With every game I try to create for this--it comes up that the name has already been used..????  |
I was able to create mine but try something like 2 Player T3 G9 (but really should have been called T4) and it should work |
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Kanga
Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 1503
Location: Moe, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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sorry everyone of course it should have been T4, not T3
I forgot to update the field in my spreadsheet.
Map 231 is not the map I thought it was. We'll scratch that map. Later today I'll work out which map I meant to use! |
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toutoune
Joined: 23 Jul 06 Posts: 120
Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: |
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just a small comment:
one of the interest in the double KO system is that this is a fair system with a random seeding. You will have each round "big" games, and the loser of a big game in the first round still have opportunity to win the tournament. You miss this with the seeding here. Anyway, i will fight with pleasure with Rebelsplayer! |
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cpsof95
Joined: 31 Mar 06 Posts: 177
Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Isn't this a bit awkward tournament structure, because the loser bracket must play 2 rounds while the winner bracket only plays 1 round? Check here for details. |
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hermes88
Joined: 03 Nov 07 Posts: 80
Location: GMT-8
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Payton v. Hermes Reporting |
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Payton and I just finished our 3 games.
2 player T4
Payton won the standard game.
Hermes won the v1 and v2 games. |
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IBX
Joined: 22 Jun 07 Posts: 214
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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2 player T4 G5
IBX def. Wolfpack 3-0 |
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Kanga
Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 1503
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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cpsof95 wrote: | Isn't this a bit awkward tournament structure, because the loser bracket must play 2 rounds while the winner bracket only plays 1 round? Check here for details. |
I agree it may prove awkward. Strictly speaking I'm not running a double elimination tournament, as once you've lost once you are eliminated from the main draw. The first time you lose you move into the loser's half of the draw, where you play until you lose a second time.
Last time I just put all the first round losers into the loser's draw. Anyone who lost after the second round was eliminated. This time I thought I'd give everyone a second chance before being eliminated. It might prove fairly cumbersome! |
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Gaditus

Joined: 05 Feb 07 Posts: 1924
Location: Canterbury, UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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You can still make it virtually double elimination if you wish.
After round 1 you have 16w(inners) + 16l(osers) + 0e(limiated)
round 2 8w 16l 8e
round 3 4w 12l 16e
round 4 2w 8l 22e
round 5 1w 5l 26e
In round 6 the remaining winner plays one of the losers, and the other 4 losers are reduced to two. If the loser wins, you have 4 semi finalists all on one loss. If the winner wins, he gets a bye into the final.
This way all rounds except possibly the penultimate are the same length. The way cpsof95 (or his link) envisaged it is to have longer rounds for the winners in round 3 onwards.
In practice the games in each round will not finish at the same time so it probably does not matter how you arrange it - there will be long waits for some anyway. |
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cpsof95
Joined: 31 Mar 06 Posts: 177
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Kanga wrote: | I agree it may prove awkward. Strictly speaking I'm not running a double elimination tournament, as once you've lost once you are eliminated from the main draw. |
Does that mean that you can't win the tourney if you lose one game?
Quote: | The first time you lose you move into the loser's half of the draw, where you play until you lose a second time. |
At some point there will be an uneven number of players in the loser's half. How do you deal with this situation? |
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