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yahkeh



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Location: Pittsburgh,PA,USA

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: lousy sportsmanship - forceful finish of games by site admin Reply with quote

here's the scenario: in game #52679 Stevve 15 was (at least to the uninformed uninvolved outsider) unfairly and unprovoked verbally attacked and picked on by knave (now we ALL know how infatuated HE is with the speed of the games he's involved in.....) which led to an unpleasant exchange of words; apart from that initially nothing else happened, the game somewhat putterted on....now that we're approaching the final result Stevve is blocking the finish of the game by not taking his turns.
I dislike "loose ends" like these and sent him 3 rather friendly pms (given my linguistic limitations as a German citizen to whom English still is just a second language I still consider them friendly ) kindly asking him to give everybody the opportunity to finish this game
There is no place on this site for either form of unsportsmanlike conduct, so are there feasible procedures for site administration to forcefully finish this game by overriding Stevve and executye those confirmation clicks for him????
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daveszum



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: forceful site admin Reply with quote

It is the unfortunate reality of an openly available and volunteer run game site that there will be the inevitable immature gamers. The problem with your solution is that someone then needs to set a standard that will be completely based on their opinion of what acceptable behavior is. That could be achievable, but then someone has to actually police it. And I don't know about you, but that is a job that is neither fun nor popular and, given the choice, I would much rather play games with the other really cool Cool people on the site. You figure out pretty quickly who to avoid......
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Bkruppa



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Location: Fremont, Ca, USA

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yakeh, I think you've got enough games going that you should just let the bad one or two die their death. The systems will automatically end the game after 60 days of inactivity, so yes its annoying for a little while but you can enjoy many other games while its quietly dieing.
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Knave



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: lousy sportsmanship - forceful finish of games by site a Reply with quote

yahkeh wrote:
here's the scenario: in game #52679 Stevve 15 was (at least to the uninformed uninvolved outsider) unfairly and unprovoked verbally attacked and picked on by knave


A full quote of what I said follows. Note that this was set up as a fast game.

knave, in the game, wrote:

well, we had fast people until stevve signed on.

Ah well, looks like another slow game Smile


Unpleasantness followed, but I hardly think that the above was such a nasty attack. I said nasty things about Steve Von Laucida, and I feel a bit bad about that, (and I have apologized to him), but I really don't see where I need to apologize when it comes to Stevve.
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freduk



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Location: Bristol, UK

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so that everyone doesn't have to go find the game, here's the full message log (to date):
Quote:
G Knave: well, we had fast people until stevve signed on.

Ah well, looks like another slow game Smile (Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:08 am)
W Stevve15: Its not even my turn yet bro. Is your life really that sad? (Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:08 am)
G Knave: Just making a prediction Smile

Show me up, prove me wrong! (Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:19 am)
W Stevve15: Sorry but I dont need to prove myself to you (Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:26 am)
G Knave: I completely agree. Demonstrate your independence! (Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:28 am)
B brazo: so far so good Smile (Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:11 am)
K Raphaell: Talk about self-fulfilling prophesies... (Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:01 am)
W Stevve15: Or reverse psychology maybe? Now that would be a good one. (Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:42 am)
W Stevve15: Some people just need to learn when to say what (Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:44 am)
G Knave: what! (Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:32 pm)
K Raphaell: OK, now that that is (hopefully) in the rear-view mirror...

Good luck everyone! (Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:26 pm)



B brazo: looks like I'm living in the different time zone Wink than you guys (Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:32 am)



K Raphaell: Don't know what you all think, but I thought this game went at a pretty good pace. (Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:22 pm)



G Knave: Well, given that everyone except Stevve had fairly quick average times, that should be expected. (Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:11 am)
W Stevve15: Knave seriously what is your problem? (Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:45 am)
G Knave: In my oblique way, I was just agreeing that it went at a reasonable pace Smile (Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:31 am)



B brazo: And now it's my turn to ask you Steve what is your problem?! R U deliberately avoid to finish this one? (Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:23 am)



G Knave: I think Stevve was upset that he was going to lose this game Wink (Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:41 pm)
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striking_cobra



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: lousy sportsmanship - forceful finish of games by site a Reply with quote

Knave wrote:
yahkeh wrote:
here's the scenario: in game #52679 Stevve 15 was (at least to the uninformed uninvolved outsider) unfairly and unprovoked verbally attacked and picked on by knave


A full quote of what I said follows. Note that this was set up as a fast game.

knave, in the game, wrote:

well, we had fast people until stevve signed on.

Ah well, looks like another slow game Smile


Unpleasantness followed, but I hardly think that the above was such a nasty attack. I said nasty things about Steve Von Laucida, and I feel a bit bad about that, (and I have apologized to him), but I really don't see where I need to apologize when it comes to Stevve.


Why even start by saying something like this? Do you know the guy? Would you honestly say something like this to a stranger if they sat down at a table to play face to face? I'd hope not, so I think you should treat people online in the same way you'd treat them if you met them for real.
No one wants another keyboard hero here.
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Knave



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play in many slow games.

In a wallenstein game I am in, Mokhla makes a move about every second day, and I do not say a thing.

In a Hacienda game I am in, cklee also moves very slowly, and I don't utter a peep.

In fact, not only do I not complain, but I don't even mind.

everyone wrote:
what?


That is because these were set up as normal games. Within reasonable limits, there is no problem being slow in a slow game.

The problem occurs when slow people join fast games. THAT is what bothers me.

So, the question was, would I do this in real life? I guess it would be like joining an orchestra explicitly for expert musicians when you can barely play. There is nothing wrong with amateurs, but why not join an amateur organization?

This happened to me, I was looking to set up a quartet to play at weddings, and I advertised for professional musicians. One idiot shows up who had been playing the violin for a month. I was not polite, nor did I see any reason to be polite. He wasted my time by completely disregading the intent of what I was trying to get together, so I let him know, in person, what I felt. No keyboard heroics required.

I see slow people who join fast games much the same way. I don't mind when they are slow in my slow games, just like I happen to play in amateur music groups sometimes and I expect some varying quality. But when slow people join a fast game, then they are wasting my time.

I don't think I was that rude to Stevve. The comment text asked for fast people, and it was likely that he was not going to fast. I am not sure why I need to spare the feelings of those who are looking to waste my time. But in this case, I didn't even really go after him that much...
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Kanga



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been known to make occasional comments like this myself back in the days when I bothered trying to set up fast games. However your position totally falls apart when I looked closely at the details..


Firstly you only specified that

"(my other games are so slow so plz make this one go smooth)"

What's the definition of fast? Stevve has an average turn time of less than 7 hours. That's probably making his moves 2 or 3 times a day at least, especially given the timezone he lives in. Without any further restrictions I dont even think he was being rude by joining.

Of course the game went fairly quickly. 22 days for a 5 player game is almost 10 moves a day. If you created 10 so called fast games, 22 days would be about average.

I would suggest you owe him a substantial apology, knave. Your comments, while quite mild by your standards, were way out of line and show your immaturity.
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docaction



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing is for sure, Knave and all his repliers give life to the forum Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

It's always the same bla bla bla.
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mbouzada



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knave is absolutely right. Stevve is absolutely wrong.
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striking_cobra



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevve is absolutely right. Knave is absolutely wrong.

Wow, it's so easy to make unsubstantiated statements, I'm gonna be doing that from now on!
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Bkruppa



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow strikin cobra that was harsh, I mean when you can't make unsubstantiated statements without recieving rebuke what has this world come to?! Shocked
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rseulow



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say settle it like men: With rapiers at dawn!
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Bkruppa



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does raping...oops misread that, my bad Laughing
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striking_cobra



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bkruppa wrote:
Wow strikin cobra that was harsh, I mean when you can't make unsubstantiated statements without recieving rebuke what has this world come to?! Shocked


That wasn't a rebuke, it was unabashed excitement about a new posting style I have found! Very Happy
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