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lefty
Joined: 03 Sep 07 Posts: 54
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Tikal Tournament Results Thread |
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I've been checking on the status of the tournament and we're moving along - Group D is complete and I have the results.
JM with 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 4th good for 12 points
Shampoon with a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd for 11 points
skk7878 with a 1st, two 2nds and 4th for 11 points
Wastl with a 1st, and three 3rds for 10 points
Tiebreakers were listed as such:
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Tie breaks will be decided by the player who has come 1st the most number of times in this round.
If this is tied, the number of 1st places throughout the course of the tourney will be counted.
If still tied, the winner will be decided by the players’ average scores over the matches played in the tourney. |
Using that methodology,
both Shampoon and skk7878 won 1 game. (a tie in game 3)
This is the first round, so each stand at 1 for the entire tourney.
gong to average, Shampoon advances with an average score of 95 (scores of 85, 103, 100, 92) to skk7878's 88.75 (scores of 85, 64, 100, 106) |
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lefty
Joined: 03 Sep 07 Posts: 54
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Group C has completed the first round.
Smlait with 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd for 13 points
Wolfpack with 1 first, a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th for 10 points
Lefty with 1 first, a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th for 10 points
BryJones with a 2nd, a 3rd and two 4ths for 7 points
Another bracket with a tiebreaker and this one was awfully close.
Both Wolfpack and Lefty won 1 game
Round 1, so both won 1 for the tourney
Average:
Wolfpack (75, 97, 92, 103) for 91.75
Lefty (89, 96, 85, 93) for 90.75
The razor thin line in this bracket was game 2 where Wolfpack scored a win with 97 points. Lefty's game 2 score was 96 points. So 1 point decided the advancement in this bracket. |
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skk7878
Joined: 05 Nov 05 Posts: 67
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Nice games Group D
Congrats to JM and Shampoon
I think there needs to be a clarification on points when there is a tie.
As noted shampoon and I tied one game. Does the next player get 3rd or 2nd place points. In such a game, I would think there should be 2 first place awards, 1 third place and one fourth( rather than 2 firsts,a second and a third). If so, JM had 2 firsts a 3rd and a 4th for 11 points. It makes no difference here, as tie-breakers would give us the same positions. However, it may make a difference later in the tourney.
Good luck JM and shampoon
Thanks, lefty, for organizing this. |
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lefty
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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skk7878 wrote: | Nice games Group D
Congrats to JM and Shampoon
I think there needs to be a clarification on points when there is a tie.
As noted shampoon and I tied one game. Does the next player get 3rd or 2nd place points. In such a game, I would think there should be 2 first place awards, 1 third place and one fourth( rather than 2 firsts,a second and a third). If so, JM had 2 firsts a 3rd and a 4th for 11 points. It makes no difference here, as tie-breakers would give us the same positions. However, it may make a difference later in the tourney.
Good luck JM and shampoon
Thanks, lefty, for organizing this. |
Responding to the tie in game 3 possibly affecting the next round tiebreakers - the first tie breakers are first place finishes and after that it's average scores - which are based on aggregate scores not place-finish. But, as you say it may have changed things with 3 players tied at 11 points, so it is a valid point I will consider when writing the rules for next tournament which may affect advancers.
I honestly didn't think there would be as many ties as there have been so far. |
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smlait
Joined: 16 Jul 06 Posts: 392
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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skk7878 wrote: | I think there needs to be a clarification on points when there is a tie.
As noted shampoon and I tied one game. Does the next player get 3rd or 2nd place points. In such a game, I would think there should be 2 first place awards, 1 third place and one fourth( rather than 2 firsts,a second and a third). If so, JM had 2 firsts a 3rd and a 4th for 11 points. It makes no difference here, as tie-breakers would give us the same positions. However, it may make a difference later in the tourney. |
I agree. If two people tie for the win, the next player was beaten by two players and is therefore in third place. |
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lefty
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Since the tie-breaking format smlait proposed makes the most sense to me - I will adjust scores in Group D and deduct 1 point from JM giving him 11. He'll still advance on tie-breakers, so no change there. Results from group A coming soon... |
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lefty
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Group A has completed the first round.
Sedge with 2 firsts, and two thirds for 12 points
CTerrell with 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 4th for 12 points
Klingone with a first, two 2nds, and a 3rd for 12 points
domster with a 2nd, and three 4ths for 7 points
First tie breaker is first places - Sedge and CTerrell will advance on the strength of 2 first places this round. Also, they own the two highest average point scores for the group.
Sedge 103
CTerrell 99.75
Klingone 93.25
Domster 85
Being that group A consisted of the "highest" averaged seeds, these results don't surprise me. Very close group.
After Group B completes, I will post the semi-finals. |
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sedge
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Yeah this was a super tight round alright! In 3 games there were tied places. Any one of those tied games would have affected the outcome of who progressed. Can't ask for much closer than that. Thanks to all, and thanks again for organising this Lefty. |
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lefty
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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sedge wrote: | Yeah this was a super tight round alright! In 3 games there were tied places. Any one of those tied games would have affected the outcome of who progressed. Can't ask for much closer than that. Thanks to all, and thanks again for organising this Lefty. |
My pleasure. There will be more - just an excuse really for me to play more games. I've always liked tournaments. Looking into new variants - brackets/different #'s of players/etc. |
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klingone
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I play a lot of tournaments by Hacienda and Santiago and it make more fun, than to play one game.
I hope we play a lot of Tikal and Wallenstein tournaments. |
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lefty
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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klingone wrote: | I play a lot of tournaments by Hacienda and Santiago and it make more fun, than to play one game.
I hope we play a lot of Tikal and Wallenstein tournaments. |
I agree - and I'm going to create a consolation bracket as well for this so the players who didn't get out of the first round can play another round as well. |
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Alashar
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Bracket B finally finishes with some interesting aspects. Although only 1 of the games was close for first place, the distribution of finishing places was very nearly even, and the final grand total of points was amazingly close as were of course the average scores. The end results are:
Alashar with 1 first, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds for 11 points.
danbar1963 with 1 first, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, and 1 4th for 10 points.
Fritz with 1 first, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, and 1 4th for 10 points.
brianlcarr with 1 first, 1 2nd, and 2 4ths for 9 points.
As observed, every player won 1 of their games, and each came in 2nd in another. The only difference in the point totals stemmed from Alashar having 2 3rds and brianlcarr 2 4ths.
While the games themselves were generally not close, the difference from 1st to last place was always 25-33 points, and the the point spread was pretty even. What is most interesting is how close the total points scored was and I'll record them to show this.
Alashar (110, 89, 97, 86) = 382 total = 95.5 average
danbar1963 (98, 75, 90, 107) = 370 total = 92.5 average
Fritz (85, 103, 84, 97) = 369 total = 92.25 average
brianlcarr (77, 99, 109, 82) = 367 total = 91.75 average
Thus, danbar1963 edges out Fritz by merely 1 game point! This goes to show how crucial every point scored can be in a tournament.
On a personal level, this round was a real struggle for me as I was the last to play in 3 out of the 4 games. It felt like I was playing with one hand tied behind my back. I was just hoping I'd be lucky enough to pull a second in the round to stay in the tourney. It ended up with all of us being incredibly close. That being said, I respectfully decline from being the one to set up the games in the next round. |
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lefty
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting the results Alashar - I have my spreadsheet at the office - I'll post the second round Monday morning. |
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lefty
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Group A in the Semi's has finished their round:
Smlait with a dominating round of 3 1sts and a second for 15 pts.
JM gets a 1st and 3 seconds for 13 pts
Shampoon and Wolfpack split two 3rds and two 4ths for 6 pts each
Smlait and JM advance to the final table.
For the statheads:
average scores in the second round:
Smlait 105.5 (422 overall)
JM 96.5 (386 overall)
Wolfpack 75.75 (303 overall)
Shampoon 74.75 (299 overall)
Average scores overall: rounds 1 and 2
Smlait 101.5 (812 overall)
JM 94.125 (753 overall)
Shampoon 84.875 (679 overall)
Wolfpack 83.75 (670 overall) |
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lefty
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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One consolation group finished up.
BryJones 12 pts (2 firsts, 2 thirds)
(101 average for the round)
Lefty 12 pts (2 firsts, a second and a fourth)
(97 average for the round)
skk7878 9 pts (2 seconds, a third and a fourth)
(92.5 average for the round)
wastle 8 pts (a first, a third, and 2 fourths)
(93.25 average for the round)
If there is interest on the other consolation end for another round, Lefty and BryJones would advance. |
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