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mdp
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| Alexfrog wrote: |
Finally, fighting over most pyramids on a side in the old kingdom is death if you lose and bad if you win. I got killed in a couple games recently because I either went for it after someone else had started to, or had someoen do that to me. It really is terrible for both players involved, and the one who loses the battle probably wont place higher than 4th. |
Exactly, see this strategy article I wrote awhile ago on this topic.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/340190 |
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Alexfrog
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, good article.
However, I find that 1 brick as a declaration doesnt work and is not sufficient.
Also, the positioning of the players remaining money, as well as whether they are in camel provinces (such that they wont want to sacrifice), as well as whether they are attempting to make a pyramid set as well, are all important. |
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Gaditus
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexfrog wrote: |
Finally, fighting over most pyramids on a side in the old kingdom is death if you lose and bad if you win. I got killed in a couple games recently because I either went for it after someone else had started to ... |
I seem to remember you doing that to me in one game - I thought you would have known better! |
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Knave
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I disagree. I go for most on the side in over 80% of my games, and I have often won even after having lost the battle for most. That said, it is important to know when you are in a position to battle for most. If I have camels and the other guy has farmers and temples, I do not want to really get into the battle, because it helps him more than it helps me. However, if my opponent has camels, I will not hesitate. I also target people who go for a set AND most, since they are more vulnerable.
Also, in a more nebulous way, fighting for most is "fun". I like pushing for most, and without the risk of a "laydown" it would not be as exciting. |
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Alexfrog
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Gaditus wrote: | | Alexfrog wrote: |
Finally, fighting over most pyramids on a side in the old kingdom is death if you lose and bad if you win. I got killed in a couple games recently because I either went for it after someone else had started to ... |
I seem to remember you doing that to me in one game - I thought you would have known better! |
That was a horrible misclick 
I put the bricks I got from the sacrifice in the wrong place, leaving me with 1P2B in one location and 1B in the other, fighting you for the side, instead of a pyramid in each.
I should never have listened to Sacarino's comment that it was just an opportunity to fight for most on the side.
At least I further confirmed the terribleness of fighting over a side with someone who is already committed, from the experience.
Its really annoying that there is no confrimation for things like that. Also: Taking powercard or farmer rewards when you want bricks.
Its tough to know what to do when someone fights you on a side where you have already committed. (1 brick is not a commitment, imo). I think you have to fight back, you cant be the guy that wont defend himself and that everyone is free to pick on by attacking his 'most on the side' attempts. Ideally you can configure it so that both people dont have to pile all their resources into it, and you get a split. This really takes cooperation from both players.
But generally its just a bad idea to attack when someone already has 2 pyramids (or mayne 1+2bricks) on a side. Especially if they havent built a pyramid in their second province. |
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wtf
Joined: 20 Mar 09
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexfrog wrote: |
But generally its just a bad idea to attack when someone already has 2 pyramids (or mayne 1+2bricks) on a side. Especially if they havent built a pyramid in their second province. |
Some players don't care, the only thing they see is red. Like a bull see's red  |
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Gaditus
Joined: 05 Feb 07
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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A three way tie and a two way tie in the same division - I think there is a deliberate plan to test my scoring capabilities!
34/68
Division 01 6/8
[632] 4 2 0 1 0 1 Gaditus **
[655] 4 1.83 0.83 0.33 0 1 Sacarino X **
[608] 5 1.33 0.33 1.33 1 1 NAB xx **
[681] 4 0.83 2.83 0.33 0 0 efreeman X **
[592] 3 0 1 1 0 1 Alexfrog Xx **
[588] 3 0 0 0 3 0 daveszum x **
[619] 3 0 0 0 1 2 DariusvanDuyn Xx **
[612] 4 0 1 2 1 0 Pompkin x **
Division 02 8/8
[651] 5 3 0 0 2 0 Haimke xx **
[614] 5 2 1 0 1 1 domster **
[612] 5 2 1 0 0 2 EzeBig x **
[599] 5 1 0.5 2.5 1 0 jbrier xx **
[611] 5 0 4.5 0.5 0 0 Kanga **
[554] 5 0 1 0 2 2 NoMoreCheese x **
[575] 5 0 0 4 1 0 grizzlyman **
[556] 5 0 0 1 1 3 Defdamesdompi x **
Division 03 2/8
[604] 1 1 0 0 0 0 Deden x **
[609] 2 1 1 0 0 0 Aran xx **
[587] 0 0 0 0 0 0 Beast **
[584] 1 0 0 1 0 0 mdp xx **
[581] 1 0 0 0 1 0 mHabes xx **
[571] 1 0 0 0 0 1 kekeweb x **
[579] 2 0 1 1 0 0 Montu **
[559] 2 0 0 0 1 1 bearsfan x **
Division 04 5/8
[622] 3 3 0 0 0 0 HighwayStar **
[574] 3 1 1 1 0 0 Greven **
[582] 3 1 0 1 1 0 yoseph x **
[566] 2 0 2 0 0 0 Coyotek4 x **
[558] 3 0 1 0 0 2 mongo ~
[534] 3 0 0 0 3 0 freduk x **
[558] 4 0 1 1 1 1 ratpfink xx **
[527] 4 0 0 2 0 2 andyd x **
Division 05 8/9
[646] 5 5 0 0 0 0 Epworthian ?
[573] 4 2 0 1 0 1 JM **
[543] 4 1 1 1 1 0 rseulow **
[530] 4 0 2 0 1 1 MacS xx **
[532] 4 0 1 2 1 0 t_o_m9 **
[528] 4 0 1 2 1 0 pskrabut x **
[510] 5 0 2 0 2 1 Dobinator **
[510] 5 0 1 2 0 2 tphon x **
[500] 5 0 0 0 2 3 Maccheek x ?
Division 06 3/9
[550] 2 2 0 0 0 0 asiefil ?
[523] 3 1 0 0 2 0 Laurion x **
[517] 1 0 1 0 0 0 sid88voodoo **
[530] 1 0 1 0 0 0 toutoune ?
[522] 1 0 1 0 0 0 swok x **
[502] 1 0 0 1 0 0 arkibet **
[533] 1 0 0 0 0 1 matrix ~**
[502] 2 0 0 1 1 0 Payton3434 **
[500] 3 0 0 1 0 2 kxw **
Division 07 2/9
[526] 1 1 0 0 0 0 moishetreats **
[518] 2 1 1 0 0 0 wtf ?
[508] 0 0 0 0 0 0 TMJJS **
[502] 1 0 1 0 0 0 yahkeh **
[487] 1 0 0 1 0 0 Ace **
[518] 1 0 0 0 1 0 lindalait **
[490] 1 0 0 0 1 0 surfitch **
[468] 1 0 0 0 0 1 BryJones **
[492] 2 0 0 1 0 1 mooka **
Division 08 0/9
[484] 0 0 0 0 0 0 dawnuk **
[476] 0 0 0 0 0 0 westptr **
[538] 0 0 0 0 0 0 StanislavTikal xx **
[439] 0 0 0 0 0 0 ats2630 *
[461] 0 0 0 0 0 0 bop517 ~
[476] 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sgath **
[478] 0 0 0 0 0 0 Tzar-T ?
[471] 0 0 0 0 0 0 Richard **
[465] 0 0 0 0 0 0 AdriaanPieters **
The colours give an indication of promotions/relegations.
Will go down two (or more) divisions
Will go down one division
Will remain in same division
Will go up one division
Will go up two (or more) divisions
They are only an indication - the actual changes will depend on new entrants, leavers and results in other games/divisions.
** = autoenrolled
* = in for next season
? = not yet informed me about next season
~ = out of next season
(if you think you have the wrong symbol or you want to change it, please let me know)
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Alexfrog
Joined: 26 Oct 05
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gaditus wrote: | A three way tie and a two way tie in the same division - I think there is a deliberate plan to test my scoring capabilities!
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Hehe. And here I was aiming for one of each result from 1st to 5th... |
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NAB
Joined: 13 Oct 08
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Hi Gaditus. I'm the first player who has finished the 5 games (winned 2). My name is in blue, is it correct? Regards |
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Maccheek
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Disastrous season -
Put me back in for next
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Alexfrog
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| NAB wrote: | | Hi Gaditus. I'm the first player who has finished the 5 games (winned 2). My name is in blue, is it correct? Regards |
Note that the 3 way ties counts as 1/3 of a 1st, 1/3 of a 2nd, 1/3 of a 3rd.
I'm not sure if he calculated points correctly, but if he did then it is correct based on the current standings. Note that results of future games which arent completed yet could drop others below you causing you to stay in Div1. |
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toutoune
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Location: Paris, France
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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after several saisons, the pleasure to play these tournaments didn't disappear.
So please autoenroll me.
thx Gaditus |
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asiefil
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| please autoenroll me Gaditus |
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sillion
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Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Alexfrog"]Yes, I have found this as well. When I started playing on SBW I mostly ignored old kingdom points and focused on money, but I had to go for points earlier on as well (while not being behind the middle of the pack on money). Often you just dont get enough opportunities to make a comeback.
Also the way that the pyramids get built in the old kingdom has a big effect on how important money is in the secodn half, it seems, but I havent figured out exactly how this works yet. I do have some general guidelines on it that I use.
Finally, fighting over most pyramids on a side in the old kingdom is death if you lose and bad if you win. I got killed in a couple games recently because I either went for it after someone else had started to, or had someoen do that to me. It really is terrible for both players involved, and the one who loses the battle probably wont place higher than 4th.[/quote]
Yes, If you see someone starting a pyramid race in the old kingdom you just smile and and collect money 
I would usually just go for a set in the old kingdom. This way I don't seed the new kingdom with to many unbalanced regions. |
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Gaditus
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Location: Canterbury, UK
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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54/68
Division 01 8/8
[683] 5 2.83 0.83 0.33 0 1 Sacarino X **
[628] 5 2 0 2 0 1 Gaditus **
[608] 5 1.33 0.33 1.33 1 1 NAB xx **
[616] 5 1 2 1 0 1 Alexfrog Xx **
[685] 5 0.83 3.83 0.33 0 0 efreeman X **
[604] 5 0 1 2 2 0 Pompkin x **
[603] 5 0 0 1 1 3 DariusvanDuyn Xx **
[568] 5 0 0 0 4 1 daveszum x **
Grats to Sacarino (again) - I had hopes of holding on to top spot, but it all went horribly wrong in the last game.
In fact Sacarino won 4 games if you include ties, so is a worthy winner of season six.
Division 02 8/8
[651] 5 3 0 0 2 0 Haimke xx **
[614] 5 2 1 0 1 1 domster **
[612] 5 2 1 0 0 2 EzeBig x **
[599] 5 1 0.5 2.5 1 0 jbrier xx **
[611] 5 0 4.5 0.5 0 0 Kanga **
[554] 5 0 1 0 2 2 NoMoreCheese x **
[575] 5 0 0 4 1 0 grizzlyman **
[556] 5 0 0 1 1 3 Defdamesdompi x **
Division 03 4/8
[624] 2 2 0 0 0 0 Deden x **
[595] 2 1 0 0 0 1 Beast **
[597] 4 1 1 1 1 0 Aran xx **
[588] 2 0 1 1 0 0 mdp xx **
[585] 2 0 1 0 1 0 mHabes xx **
[559] 2 0 0 0 0 2 kekeweb x **
[571] 3 0 1 1 1 0 Montu **
[555] 3 0 0 1 1 1 bearsfan x **
Division 04 8/8
[622] 5 3 0 2 0 0 HighwayStar **
[586] 5 2 1 1 1 0 Greven **
[594] 5 2 0 1 2 0 yoseph x **
[547] 5 1 0 2 0 2 andyd x **
[570] 5 0 4 1 0 0 Coyotek4 x **
[550] 5 0 2 0 0 3 mongo ~
[546] 5 0 1 1 1 2 ratpfink xx **
[514] 5 0 0 0 4 1 freduk x **
Division 05 9/9
[655] 5 5 0 0 0 0 Epworthian ?
[561] 5 2 0 1 0 2 JM **
[552] 5 1 1 2 1 0 t_o_m9 **
[535] 5 1 1 1 2 0 rseulow **
[532] 5 0 2 2 1 0 pskrabut x **
[526] 5 0 2 1 1 1 MacS xx **
[510] 5 0 2 0 2 1 Dobinator **
[510] 5 0 1 2 0 2 tphon x **
[500] 5 0 0 0 2 3 Maccheek x *
Division 06 8/9
[594] 5 4 1 0 0 0 asiefil **
[553] 4 1 1 1 0 1 matrix ~**
[526] 4 1 1 0 2 0 swok x **
[533] 5 1 3 0 0 1 sid88voodoo **
[523] 5 1 1 1 2 0 Laurion x **
[498] 4 0 1 0 1 2 toutoune *
[482] 4 0 0 3 0 1 arkibet **
[488] 4 0 0 1 0 3 kxw **
[482] 5 0 0 2 3 0 Payton3434 **
Division 07 7/9
[534] 4 2 0 1 1 0 moishetreats **
[538] 5 2 2 1 0 0 wtf ?
[516] 3 1 0 1 1 0 TMJJS **
[484] 3 1 0 1 0 1 BryJones **
[502] 4 1 1 0 1 1 surfitch **
[478] 3 0 1 0 0 2 yahkeh **
[477] 4 0 1 1.5 1.5 0 Ace **
[502] 4 0 1 0 2 1 lindalait **
[478] 5 0 1 1.5 0.5 2 mooka **
Division 08 2/9
[491] 1 1 0 0 0 0 Richard **
[498] 1 1 0 0 0 0 Tzar-T ?
[465] 0 0 0 0 0 0 AdriaanPieters **
[484] 0 0 0 0 0 0 dawnuk **
[542] 1 0 1 0 0 0 StanislavTikal xx **
[480] 1 0 1 0 0 0 westptr **
[427] 2 0 0 1 1 0 ats2630 *
[460] 2 0 0 1 0 1 Sgath **
[441] 2 0 0 0 1 1 bop517 ~
The colours give an indication of promotions/relegations.
Will go down two (or more) divisions
Will go down one division
Will remain in same division
Will go up one division
Will go up two (or more) divisions
They are only an indication - the actual changes will depend on new entrants, leavers and results in other games/divisions.
** = autoenrolled
* = in for next season
? = not yet informed me about next season
~ = out of next season
(if you think you have the wrong symbol or you want to change it, please let me know)
Also in next season
Carmilla
WillyC3
lukewarren
sillion
pkwolf54 |
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