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Fawkes · Joined: 16 Aug 05 Posts: 12

I realize that the Haz rules (which I have in front of me) don't explicity say whether or not to reshuffle the land deck when it runs out.

However, it makes the most sense for the land deck to NOT be reshuffled when it runs out. Otherwise, you could potentially have a fill-up-the-pampas endgame when no one can connect to any more markets. When the land runs out, either use up the pricey stuff (water, haciendas) or end the game by pulling livestock.

And look: 80 land cards, 80 land tiles in the box.

No, I haven't asked Wolfgang Kramer, Bernd Brunhoffer, or Jay Tummelson. I'm just saying.
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freduk · Joined: 18 Jan 06 Posts: 433 Location: Bristol, UK

I don't think it should be reshuffled, as it's effectively making every new land card a Pampas, as there's nowhere else to place them. I think that when the cards run out, they're gone.
The rules don't say to reshuffle, so why do it? They shouldn't have to say "don't reshuffle", and there are exactly the right number of land card to tiles, so how would you play these extra cards in the real game, with no tiles to use...

HappyProle · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject:

I guess I'm just surprised there are games that are getting to the point where this even matters.

So should we interpret it such that the land deck is always equal to the number of land tiles (for custom maps)?

TheCat · Joined: 15 Feb 05 Posts: 97

TheCat · Joined: 15 Feb 05 Posts: 97

Another thought is that the mix and number of animal cards should be varied depending on the number of players and/or size of the map. See the specified cards listed for the Feliz Navidad map:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/96156

HappyProle · Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:

I'm convinced now that the land deck shouldn't be reshuffled. I've made the change on our dev site, so as soon as we figure out how to seamlessly make the change here on the live site we'll put it in place.

jcarvin · Joined: 15 Jul 04 Posts: 4

I was lucky enough to play in the Hacienda finals at the World Boardgaming Championship where we ran out of land cards (we also ran out of water, player chips, and hacienda before running out of animals!). The ruling (which was said to be official) was that cards do not get reshuffled, you play with what you have.

In addition, and I did not know this until that game, when all the spaces of a particular land type have been filled on the board, all remaining cards of that type are treated as pampus cards.

HappyProle · Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: No reshuffling

That's one more indication to support the change. Now we're almost guaranteed to have a publisher chime in to say that the deck should be reshuffled. Jay, I'm looking at you...

Murwiz · Joined: 02 Dec 05 Posts: 13 Location: SW Michigan

TheCat · Joined: 15 Feb 05 Posts: 97

HappyProle · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject:

TheCat · Joined: 15 Feb 05 Posts: 97

HappyProle · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:

It really depends on the particular game situation and my view is probably a little biased by tending to favor Variant 1, which I think helps balance the land v. animals issue.

Kanga · Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:39 am Post subject:

Of course, if you are playing a multiplayer game it's usually not possible to be continuously adding to your landmass(es). Often the key to winning is still having scoring moves left at the end of the game. I have won several games coming from behind purely because my last few moves are still scoring lots of points, while my opponents are not. This has been particularly evident against the style of play that involves grabbing land and water like crazy, and not scoring markets.

TheCat · Joined: 15 Feb 05 Posts: 97