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Gaditus
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Amun Re League - preview |
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Amun Re League
Extrapolating* from the 3 player tournament 6 current standings the starting divisions for the league will be:
1 domster
1 HighwayStar
1 daveszum
1 Kanga
1 Deden
1 docaction
2 NoMoreCheese
2 Sacarino
2 mongo
2 Knave
2 swok
2 Gaditus
3 flaviorj
3 IBX
3 DariusvanDuyn
3 Fritz
3 ahauwi1
3 yahkeh
4 Tzar-T
4 t_o_m9
4 danbar1963
4 Pompkin
4 Sgath
4 dawnuk
5 rseulow
5 shampoon
5 kekeweb
5 grizzlyman
5 freduk
5 Abaddon
6 Payton3434
6 JM
6 ats2630
6 Dobinator
6 powermorph
6 tphon
7 pkwolf54
7 AdriaanPieters
7 kxw
7 lindalait
7 Wolfpack
7 Coach
8 ACE
8 BENNYKDOGG
8 BRYJONES
8 CARMILLA
8 JGLAZIER
9 KWOJTASZ
9 MOOKA
9 REBELSLAYER
9 RORSHAQ
9 WILDFIRE2099
* These will obviously change as the last few results come in.
Those in upper case (who did not join the tournament) will be randomly assigned a division, below the others.
The purpose of this post is:
1) To whet your appetite for the league
2) So you can tell me if I have missed you out/included you by mistake
3) To welcome any more takers.
(Note it does not matter how many entrants we have, the bottom 1/2/3 divisions will have 5/6/7 players as necessary to accomodate all entrants) |
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domster
Joined: 26 Feb 07
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Top of the league! I may just take a screenshot of this as it's the last time it's going to happen!  |
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Gaditus
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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One more result in and ...
1 HighwayStar
1 daveszum
1 Kanga
1 Deden
1 docaction
1 NoMoreCheese
2 Sacarino
2 domster
2 mongo
2 Knave
2 swok
2 Gaditus
3 flaviorj
3 IBX
3 DariusvanDuyn
3 Fritz
3 ahauwi1
3 yahkeh
4 Tzar-T
4 t_o_m9
4 danbar1963
4 Pompkin
4 Sgath
4 dawnuk
5 rseulow
5 shampoon
5 kekeweb
5 grizzlyman
5 freduk
5 Abaddon
6 Payton3434
6 JM
6 ats2630
6 Dobinator
6 powermorph
6 tphon
7 pkwolf54
7 AdriaanPieters
7 kxw
7 lindalait
7 Wolfpack
7 Coach
8 ACE
8 BENNYKDOGG
8 BRYJONES
8 CARMILLA
8 JGLAZIER
9 KWOJTASZ
9 MOOKA
9 REBELSLAYER
9 RORSHAQ
9 WILDFIRE2099
domster has been relegated before the season starts! |
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Dobinator
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wouldn't overall win-loss record be a better way to do the seedings? I say this as somebody who had a particularly atrocious recent tournament...  |
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Carmilla
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Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there a "How League Play Works" FAQ or thread for us league n00bs? |
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IBX
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dobinator is more than welcome to have my spot in tier 3. I think I'm far outclassed there.  |
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Gaditus
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Dobinator wrote: | | Wouldn't overall win-loss record be a better way to do the seedings? I say this as somebody who had a particularly atrocious recent tournament... |
When I originally suggested this, I said I would use the tournament to decide initial divisions.
I envisage the league continuing with promotions and relegations from 'season' to 'season' with each season lasting six weeks to a couple of months, so if you start in the wrong division you should be able to move up or down to your correct level eventually. 
| Carmilla wrote: | | Is there a "How League Play Works" FAQ or thread for us league n00bs? |
I will post details of exactly how it will work in the official league post and by clicking the link in the bottom left hand corner of that post, you can 'watch it' so that you will be informed of important information about the league (such as when it starts!).
Basically you will play 5 or 6 games against the other players in your division, and the top two will be promoted, the bottom two will be relegated. |
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bearsfan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I will join this tournament if this is OK. |
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domster
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Gaditus wrote: |
domster has been relegated before the season starts! |
I didn't expect my lead to be quite as short-lived as that!  |
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rorshaq
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I think this method for determining initial league positions is severely flawed. As it stands the bottom division could eaily end up being as good as the top, if not better and if promotion is limited then good players could be stuck in the lower divisions for a long time.
Fair enough in a way for the players who didnt enter the last tourny - you could say it's their fault for not entering - but for any good player who just happened to have a bad game or two they find themselves at the bottom playing good players and maybe never getting promoted.
anyway as it stands i withdraw, i hadnt realised the situation when i signed up, sorry
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Gaditus
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| rorshaq wrote: | I think this method for determining initial league positions is severely flawed. As it stands the bottom division could eaily end up being as good as the top, if not better and if promotion is limited then good players could be stuck in the lower divisions for a long time.
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There is always going to be a problem with the division in which 'new' players join. If at the start of season two a strong player wishes to join and I allow him to come in at say division 3, it is only possible to do so by moving one player from each of divisions 3 downwards. So either someone who finished in second spot in divisions 4-z doesn't get promoted or someone who finished 4th in division 3-z gets relegated.
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Fair enough in a way for the players who didnt enter the last tourny - you could say it's their fault for not entering.
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Yes, you could.
| rorshaq wrote: | but for any good player who just happened to have a bad game or two they find themselves at the bottom playing good players and maybe never getting promoted.
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With two getting promoted it shouldn't be too difficult to move up. If a player is up against other players of a similar standard then the games should be interesting in themselves - if they are not against similar players the promotion/relegation should (eventually) resolve the problem.
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anyway as it stands i withdraw, i hadnt realised the situation when i signed up, sorry |
Noted.
I note the concerns however, and I will see if I can structure it so that the top player in divisions below 4 move up two divisions rather than one. This will let a strong player move up more quickly. |
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Darius van Duyn
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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I think that a seeding system which Gaditus used was the best solution available. Every player got ooportunity to attend six games, what gives a good basic opinion about that player actual strength. Delegation / relegation system is very competitive and attractive and I am very happy Gaditus got this idea and had enough effort to start the whole project.
I dont agree with preprevious post, that good players will pit against each other in the bottom division. At least, each season two players can rise through ranks and so on. So after few seasons, all players worth it will be in upper divisions. And what is more of a challenge and motivation than watch you rise through ranks and become a "pro" in the elite division? |
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Kanga
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The main reason I haven't used a pure relegation system in Hacienda is players dropping out in between seasons throws it all into havoc. It gets very messy very quickly, even one player dropping out will make it hard. If someone from Division 2 (say) drops out, do you promote 3 from the division below? If so, then that flows on down each division, with half the division going up, and 2 others going down. Each extra player dropping out makes it harder again.
I guess I'm sayig I think you'll find adhering to the promotion relegation system hard work! |
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Wildfire2099
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I think in the absense of some sort of true ratings system here (like ELO or some similar method) it's tough to cede people.
I think going from season 1 to season 2, you basically have to rank each returning player from top to bottom, then set out the divisions accordingly.
The trick is how to compare a medicore season in Division 2 with a good one in Division 4.. I'd be happy to offer some ideas once you post what sort of structure the league will have (i.e how long the season is, all or nothing Vs. rewarding 2nd over last, that sorta thing) |
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Gaditus
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I think 3 player Amun Re is a bit more of a lottery than two player Hacienda so it can still make for a reasonable game if you are up against a stronger/weaker opponent and the matching of abilities matters less.
I also think a significant element of the enjoyment of the league will be to try and move up through the divisions, or just trying to stay in the one you are in.
Given there will be 4 players out of 6 in each division moving one way or another, just staying still will be an achievement! |
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