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craw-daddy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I've heard correctly, an abandoned game on this site is classified as abandoned for *all* players involved, not just the person who "caused" the abandonment (i.e. the player whose turn it is when the game is "officially" abandoned). Thus with the current system, every player would be penalized under a system that would be based on this statistic. Of course, this could be altered too, with more work for the programmers and such...
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AmericanEagle



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Need an exclusion option Reply with quote

I agree, that if a player has not moved in a game in X amount of time or has abandoned a game, that player should not be able to join another game until moves get within x amount of time.
Brontoceratops wrote:
There needs to be a way to exclude specific players from a given game.

I'm in several games with one player who takes forever to take his turns. Fine...some folks are going to play that way, and I don't mind having a few games with them.

But I'd like to be able to play a few games at a reasonable pace, as well. So I created a new game mentioning in the descriptive line that that particular slow player was not invited to join this one...and yet, he did. :(

Sure, I could password all my games, but then I'd be stuck playing only with people I already know. I'd prefer to be challenged by new opponents...but not constantly stonewalled by individual known sluggards.
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milksheikh
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm intrigued by the idea of giving game creators the option of "approving" those wishing to join the game.

I will also, very soon, allow game creators to specify a maximum "Average Time per Turn" for each game, that users must meet to join.

Finally, I will, also very soon, start to enforce a "no abandoning games under any circumstances" policy. Anybody who does will not be allowed to join any more games, unless they can explain to me why they deserve a second chance. With this, I don't see the need for any more elaborate "karma" system to handle this.

I'm not sure if a "replace a player" system will be necessary after I get to doing the above, but if it is, I'll put it together at some point.


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milksheikh
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craw-daddy wrote:
If I've heard correctly, an abandoned game on this site is classified as abandoned for *all* players involved, not just the person who "caused" the abandonment (i.e. the player whose turn it is when the game is "officially" abandoned). Thus with the current system, every player would be penalized under a system that would be based on this statistic.


Not true. Well, there is no "games this player has abandoned" statistic shown anywhere because, as I just mentioned, I plan on taking a no tolerance view on abandoning games. In the player profile there is a list of games that player has or is participating in, and one category is "abandoned games". This is not meant to imply that all players in the game are to be penalized -- it's just a way of differentiating those games from ones that finished.
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craw-daddy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, all I meant is that there seems to be no differentiation between the collection of players involved in a game that has been abandoned. If there's four players in a game, then that game appears in the "Abandoned games" total for each of the four players, correct?
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Llama



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onceler wrote:
Re the fixes mentioned so far, the first, setting expectations, is already used at SBW, and it doesn't work.


They are? If you mean the free-form comment field, then that's a poor implementation of what I'm talking about. In each and every game you create at Ludagora, you must specify an expectation. You learn to look for it for every game you create or play in. It's not a voluntary thing, or a community convention that only some people know about; it's always there. Of course, there's no enforcement of the moves/day expectation, but such is the nature of an open forum such as this.

Onceler wrote:
It also seems odd that user are willing to recommend something that they don't use, and that they aren't quite sure how it works or what it is.


I'm just trying to point out that other sites have dealt with similar issues, and here's a pointer on what I'm talking about; if you're interested, go find out more on your own. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you information I don't really care about. How about thanking me for a pointer to a possible solution?
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milksheikh
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craw-daddy wrote:
Well, all I meant is that there seems to be no differentiation between the collection of players involved in a game that has been abandoned. If there's four players in a game, then that game appears in the "Abandoned games" total for each of the four players, correct?


Yes, but that's not supposed to be a "penalty" count -- that is just the number of games a player has been in that haven't completed. I could put a "games abandoned" (abandon being a verb, rather than an adjective) stat on the left side of the profile -- a penalty count -- but as I said, I'm hoping to just ban people for not finishing.
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Llama



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

milksheikh wrote:
but as I said, I'm hoping to just ban people for not finishing.


My concern here is that, IMHO, we need to keep in mind that Real Life happens sometimes, and people can go for a week or three not taking their turns. If this happens once, I would hope you would cut the person some slack. If it happens every 3 or 4 weeks, then that is something different, and should be handled differently. Just my opinion; it's your site and you can do as you like, of course!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama wrote:
My concern here is that, IMHO, we need to keep in mind that Real Life happens sometimes, and people can go for a week or three not taking their turns. If this happens once, I would hope you would cut the person some slack. If it happens every 3 or 4 weeks, then that is something different, and should be handled differently.


Of course. I do plan to keep games active for a month or so, giving people a chance to come back from whatever and carry on (although I'll block them from joining new games after a lapse of only a few days I think). They'll be getting messages periodically (right now it's every 3 days, but I plan to make that dependent on the game's expected frequency of play), nagging them to continue, or else...

If it goes beyond that, so that the game becomes inactive, they'll need to convince me they had a good reason in order to get reinstated.

Note that using the vacation setting will keep this from happening, but I'll need to make sure people can't abuse that by staying on permanent vacation, allowing them to skip out on some games but continue playing in others.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think milksheikh has once again hit the nail on the head in the changes he is implementing. Average time per player should be a good way to limit players joining a game. No player who has abandoned a game should be allowed to play on the site.

I do believe that the ability to ask for a substitute for players who have disappeared from the site to allow games to finish would be very good (and still necessary). For whatever reason, there are a few players out there who have joined the site, joined several games, then disappeared never to be seen again halfway through these games.
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Onceler



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, easy solution, and thanks for making the change Smile
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ejmowrer



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

milksheikh wrote:
I will also, very soon, allow game creators to specify a maximum "Average Time per Turn" for each game, that users must meet to join.


Thank you. This is EXACTLY what I was planning on suggesting. I'm glad I read this thread first.
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seamusk



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: average player time Reply with quote

Average time per turn sounds good. Amazingly, I looked at mine and it was 6.3 hours. That kind of surprised me because I'm usually pretty quick to move. But I guess when I'm sleeping and working that adds up. What are some other average time per turns?
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RyanMC
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.1 hours here. I tend to be really fast.
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ejmowrer



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hover between 2 and 3 hours per turn. I've seen several people with 12, 24, or >24 hours per turn, though. I think there are many people who just check in once a day, and just as many who check many times throughout the day.
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